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tripling your ministry when the pastor’s wife is your incompetent admin assistant

OK, so the question Fields wanted me to answer this week seems a little off the beaten path, I’m not sure how practical this will be for most. I’ll do my best.

So here’s the question: My senior pastor wants me to triple my ministry within a year, actually wants it to go up five times, but will settle for 3 times. Also, my admin assistant is incompetent and she’s the pastor’s wife.

I lost the actual question, but I’m pretty sure I’ve got it right. If not, email me: mattm@saddleback.net and I’ll correct the error of my ways.

So, I guess the answer is that you’re pretty much ruined. Of course, that’s only from a human perspective, and fortunately we can rely on God to work something out. So why we (you) pray and wait expectantly for God to show up, what’s our (your) responsibility. Not sure why I’m writing in 2nd (3rd) person. Actually, I’m not sure which is 2nd and which is 3rd. 1st person is easy enough to remember because of halo 1-3.

First off, in this situation, I’d like to know the number of kids in your youth group. if you have 50 and he’s expecting 150, then you have a hill to climb. If you have 10 and he’s expecting 30, well, at that point I’d say stop whining. (just kidding, you didn’t seem to be whining.)

Let’s say you have 50 or 100, and he wants 150 or 300 students… there is a positive side to see here: at least you know what’s expected of you. Also, maybe the goal is secondary to the pursuit of the goal. Now, Rick Warren said something a few months ago that I really agree with (so i figure he’s pretty smart) (that was sarcastic, not even my colossal ego compares myself to him. Fields, yes. RW, no.)

Anyhow, the thing RW said was something along the lines of set huge God-sized, unattainable goals, and go after them with all the faith you can muster. in the end, you’ll achieve a lot more than if you set wimpy goals, and it wont matter if you don’t make it to the moon.  (that’s actually an abridgement of about 8 things he said).

So, I say go after the goal with full gusto. Dream, plan, strategize… show your plans to your pastor. Show him the progress and the outcomes. Perhaps he feels like you don’t set high enough goals.

Remember, just about every pastor is very nearly the worst possible manager. Maybe he just read some leadership book, and he’s trying to create a BHAG that will impress Jim Collins, John Maxwell, or his leadership professor from seminary. Some days I think the government should censor leadership books. (reason #57 I’ll never be a good leader).

BTW: 10 months ago, when I came in to my new ministry, I was sitting in a meeting where a few dudes (pastors) were talking about B-HAG. I don’t mind looking dumb, so I asked, FYI: "big hair audacious goal." And yes, I did get the, "you must be dumb" look. I grinned like they were the village fools.

You mentioned that you have the largest youth ministry in your area… which is really cool. Don’t communicate to your senior pastor that you have the biggest group, it’ll look like you’re whining. While I don’t really know anything about culture, I think a bigger youth ministry will grow faster than a smaller one.

I don’t know anything about culture because it’s hard for me to care about things that change when the things that don’t change have so much more impact. the person who understands human culture may be cool and seem effective, the person who understands human nature will change people where it counts. Here ends my short rant against the futility of culture. Everyone is selfish and wants to be loved. Don’t give me this crap about truth and absolute truth. People in every generation and culture are healthy practitioners of self deception and self absorption. Ok, now my rant is done. Don’t spend so much time learning the language that you never say anything of significance. finished.

OK. Sorry about that. (not really) About the assistant, you’re in trouble. If she wants to be there, then she stays. If you can convince her or her husband that maybe it’s time for her to move on, then go for it. Sit them both down, and give a list of reasons why maybe it’s not the best fit. This could be a death sentence (if one isn’t already on your head). But, if everyone is mature, it shouldn’t be a problem. Do you think she’s there to spy on you? that’s a total drag. Do you know if you have her respect? If not, you’re in HUGE trouble.

If you really have the guts, ask your senior pastor why he gave you the huge goal…you may be able to say (if this is true, of course) that when you hear that goal, and you mix it with a little too much self doubt, you feel like you’re being set up for failure.

So, if this were a normal situation, I’d say there’s a LARGE chance you’re on your way out the door. If you love where you are at, and what you are doing, and don’t mind the humility that MAY COME from sticking it out, then I would do everything possible to win the respect of your senior pastor and his wife. Get her doing the stuff she’s good at (she has to be good at something), and try and find a volunteer to make up for her incompetence.

Matt McGill

6 Comments so far

  1. Matthew McNutt March 25th, 2008 6:15 am

    wow … yeah, give it a shot, but have your resume polished up. If tripling in a year is only adequate, then you have a rough future there …

  2. David Hughes March 25th, 2008 10:25 am

    “Don’t spend so much time learning the language that you never say anything of significance.”

    …guess I should stop investing in V-necks

  3. Geoff March 27th, 2008 9:51 am

    I agree with the B-HAG comment; however the culture of the area is important. Will the tripling of the ministry come at the detriment of other youth programs in the same area?

    If the population is “saturated”, it will be impossible to triple the ministry without cannibalizing other churches, and possibly alienating other congregations. This result is not only undesirable, but I would argue that this would be unethical. As Christians, we are not supposed to be competing with each other.

    If you are talking about population that is not saturated, i.e. there is a excess of students who are not involved with a church, then this goal is still difficult, but attainable. In addition, you won’t be drawing away from other programs and ministries.

    In either case, I wouldn’t try to achieve numbers, but rather seek spiritual depth. Kids are yearning for an authentic, spiritual environment where they will feel safe. Build that environment and the kids who are there will love it. Then they will invite their friends. Then you have growth.

  4. J.E. Bundy March 27th, 2008 1:12 pm

    When I hear about golas like this it really frustrates me. First of all this sounds like a sales goal. We aren’t in retail and you can’t treat people looking for Jesus as though they were casual shoppers looking for a new sofa. Secondly, is the rest ofthe church expecting to triple in the same time period, and is your senior pastor held responsible if it doesn’t. If not then how can he ask you to do that in your own ministry. If you start driving hard for numbers people are oing to get run over and left behind. Do your very best to meet people’s needs, love them, care for them, point them to jesus, make everything you do count for something, and if God blesses you with numbers great, if he decides to keep your numbers small great. Its not up to you.

  5. Sean April 3rd, 2008 11:21 am

    There is nothing wrong with a pastor throwing out huge numerical goals out there to you. Maybe you lack passion and he is trying to light a fire up under you. Maybe being the largest youth group in town has caused you to grow complacent? Maybe he wants you to have the largest numbers in the state? I love people who whine about numbers not being important while we pass droves of students in the halls of schools allowing them to go to hell so we can have some more “quality” time with our favorite kids. Maybe your pastor wants you to use more volunteers so that you can reach entire campuses…be grateful that you are expected to be greater than you are…there is too much mediocrity in youth ministry as it is.

  6. david May 2nd, 2008 3:49 pm

    tell him you’ll triple yours when he triples his.

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